Saturday, September 08, 2012

I'm a believer but this airplane (MV-22) is snake bit.




When it comes to MV-22 I'm a believer.

I believe it when they say that it brings new capabilities to the fight.  I believe it when they say that the airplane is an important part of the MEU.

I'm not sure I buy that the buy of these airframes shouldn't be curtailed and a cheaper option bought.  A piggyback on the Navy/Army buy of UH-60's could bring benefits that we aren't properly calculating.

But be that as it may, leadership is all in on the MV-22.  The Commandant himself showed up in Japan to defend the airplane to skeptical Japanese that don't want it based there.  Which brings us to this story.  via the Jacksonville Daily News.

An MV-22 Osprey remained on the ground in a field off of Lejeune Boulevard late Friday after making a precautionary landing Thursday that local residents say included smoke.
Christopher McFarland, of Ellis Park, said he and his wife are used to seeing Ospreys fly over their house because of their proximity to Marine Corps Air Station New River, but the aircraft flying over Thursday evening “sounded a little different.”
“It was definitely an emergency landing,” McFarland said, adding that the plane narrowly missed the tree line in their backyard was smoking on the way down.
Another Ellis Park resident, Deborah Zarinana, said she also saw smoke and felt her house shaking because the plane was so close to the tree line.
“It brushed the top of the trees, the belly of it did. You could see pinecones falling,” Zarinana said. “I was outside with my kids and they were freaking out.”

New River spokeswoman 1st Lt. Kristin Dalton said that the neighbors account was “probably accurate” and that the smoke was the result of “fluid leaking onto hot parts of the aircraft similar to if you spilt oil on a hot lawn mower.”
She said the pilots of the Osprey were prompted by multiple warning lights to land the plane as soon as possible, but could not confirm if the leaking fluid set off the warning lights.
But she added that “just because the aircraft was smoking and there was a fluid leaking does not mean that (the pilots) lost control of the aircraft in any way.”
“The pilots got a warning indication in the cockpit that required the aircraft to return to base as soon as possible,” Dalton said, adding that the addition of a second warning prompted the pilots to land the plane in the empty field, rather than make the trip back to base.
“Based on follow-on indications, and with safety being the top priority, the pilots made the precautionary landing in an open area,” Dalton said.
Military and civilian police officers quickly responded to the landing site, barricading the area with crime scene tape and calling it “a national security issue.”
Dalton said there were no injuries and the cause of the warning light indications is being looked into, but stressed that “there was no mechanical failure in any way.”
The plane was still in the field Friday evening, and Dalton said maintenance was being performed on the aircraft. She added that “as soon as maintenance crews complete any needed repair and testing, the aircraft will return to New River,” but could not confirm when the plane would be leaving the field.
Rick Murray, the owner of Fast Freddie’s, the bar the Osprey landed behind, said Marine Corps officials told him the plane would be leaving later Friday night. He added that because the plane was tucked behind the tree line and difficult to see from the road, he didn’t think its presence would have any effect on his business.
He said he was “glad everybody is OK.”
The neighboring business, Discovery Church, agreed. Melissa Kennedy, human resources director for Discover, said she thought it was “kind of ironic that the (military) is in the backyard because the heart and mission of our church is to support the military and military spouses.”
She said she hopes the attention given to the Osprey behind their building will draw attention to the church, too.
The Osprey, which flies like an airplane but can take off and land like a helicopter, belongs to Marine Medium Tiltrotor Training Squadron 204, according to its markings.
Japanese media who were in North Carolina covering the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, drove to Jacksonville Friday to get a shot of the Osprey, a plane that their officials have heavily criticized after the April 11 Morocco Osprey crash that killed two New River Marines and injured two others.
Multiple Ospreys are currently being deployed to American military bases in Japan, with much opposition from the Japanese, according to multiple reports from The Associated Press.
Japanese media was in the area.

Yeah the plane is snake bit but the STUPID public relations SPIN that the Marine Corps is trying to stuff down the throats of the public is ANNOYING.

You have Public Affairs Officers pushing the "precautionary landing" line when you have eye witnesses stating flat out that it was an EMERGENCY landing.

And that's the real story here.

Forget my doubts about costs and wanting the Marine Corps to become truly frugal with its defense dollars.

Forget the fact that the plane is having a spat of technical issues at the worst time possible.

What is truly annoying is that the public can no longer trust Marines to be brutally honest when it comes to even issues that aren't most favorable to our positions.  This story is an update.  The Public Affairs Officer that spoke to the press emphasized that it was a precautionary landing.

The reporter, SMELLING BULLSHIT, went back and talked to the residents.

They contradicted him and he was caught in a stupid lie.  Or fabrication.  Or spin.  Or whatever you want to call it.

It was stupid, it is unworthy of the Corps and its an indication of a drop off in standards.

What would the Marine greats think?  

9 comments :

  1. Having flown in both your MV22 and -46 i can assure you the 46 is a dog.
    Fluid leaks are common and almost routine. Scared the shit out of us passengers tho, seeing fluid pissing out in the slipstream of the aircraft.
    MV-22 was great for quick reaction missions. We were in the area of operation before the crew had even served tea and biscuits!
    Wish the UK could afford a few, they'd be damn useful!

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    1. so have i and i can tell you too that a 46 can get into spots that a 22 can't. fluid leaking is just pat of the fun. besides you're not crusty till you have hydraulic fluid on your cammies. i concede your points on speed. range. every other dynamic but quite honestly. do we need a full force of mv-22's or can we do the assault thing and have enough for the initial assault phase and then use regular helos for the rest?

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  2. Plus it looks like on of the Transformers i had as a kid so that gets it extra points in my book!

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  3. I'm not sure I consider the testimony of a local that reliable.

    I saw someone drive 100m along the road, then pull in to their drive and park, with their car quite clearly ON FIRE!

    It may have been an emergency, but she didnt treat it as such, IE emergency stop and run like ****.
    She didnt even make a precaustionary stop, IE pull over at the next parking place and stop.

    She drove home as normal.

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  4. Heh. Back in my 6514TESTS/6545TESTG days you could always tell which aircrew flew what aircraft: the helo guys always had hydraulic fluid stains on their flight suits. On deployments where we took the H-53s and C-130s, the '53 guys would try to get me to fly with them, and I always gave them two reasons why that would never happen:
    1. After AFSOC sucked up our H-53Es, we had H-53A models the Navy had retired ages ago wih 53E powertrains. They were real hot rods with no range to them so the multiple refuel stops on the way meant they took ages to get anywhere.
    2. I fly on no aircraft where the two most commonly used 'tools' were rags and hydraulic fluid. Seriosly, they'd load a couple of cases every trip out.

    As to the IFE/Precautionary thing, they're not mutually exclusive as often you declare an IFE as a precaution. When the pilot decided to put it down, it may have been something that felt 'off' but then deteriorated rapidly. Some conditons trip procedures that REQUIRE an IFE declaration but not all. It's often a judgement call (I flew a one mission where we made a precautionary landing, and the pilot was 'gently' chided for NOT declaring an IFE).
    I can see the PAO picking the more benign description, but think more likely the PAO was repeating what somebody else told them, and until all the facts are known, Commanders usually try to keep a story from immediately going ugly. There are fewer recriminations and conspiracy theories afterwards when you come out later and say it was more serious than thought than if you try to change the story to 'it wasn't that bad'. I think part of the problem is that vertical lift aircraft don't fall out of the sky as much as they used to -- make's them more "newsworthy". Combine that with the expanded utility of 'news' to support a political agenda and EVERYHING gets blown out of proportion.

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  5. Are you going to post every time a Blackhawk has to make an emergency landing? Geez, you'd think the Osprey was the only helicopter that had ever crashed based on blogger's. We've lost 18 UH60s in OEF and 24 in OIF, only 11 of which were due to enemy fire. Those are losses, not just landings. As an ARFF guy who has worked on airfields, I can tell you ALL helicopters have their share of malfunctions and emergency landings.

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  6. did you read my post or are you just here to bitch?

    i said that i believe in the plane but its snake bit. the Japanese are going crazy because they don't want it operating in Okinawa, the Commandant went over to smooth ruffled feathers and has been stating that its safe yet we've seen a spat of incidents with it.

    i also stated that witnesses expressed that it was anything but precautionary. with that i'm saying that if it was an emergency landing and by all indication it was that the PAO should man up and say so. lack of honesty is an indication of a lowering of Marine standards.

    i'm talking about Marine Corps aircraft, and Marine Corps standards. i don't give a damn about the UH-60 till we start operating them in the FMF.

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  7. The Marine Corps has been fighting for the Osprey since I was a lad (84-85). The ammount of political capital expended by the Corps has been huge. It has survived at least two maybe three cancelations, onece by then SecDef Dick CHenney. I think it would be an understatement to say the Marine Corps REALLY wants the Osprey. Not sure if it's right or wrong, but I can say with certanty that nothing is going to change that.

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