Sunday, April 08, 2012

Follow up: Gunners Position on Navy Combat Support Helicopters.

Note the field of fire  for the gunner in the above photos

Thanks for the pics Jesse!

I did a post a couple of days ago lavishing much praise on this hidden jewel...Navy Combat Support Helo Squadrons.

The concept is sound, the firepower they can potentially bring to a fight unmistakable but there is one nagging problem.

The gunners station and his arc of fire.  The Navy took a huge leap forward with the installation of the Army's ESSS kit.  Again, the only issue I have with the system is the restrictions it paces on the gunner and his arc of fire. 

A couple of off the shelf systems might be a workaround for a select set of helicopters were the primary mission will be set at Combat Support and Rescue.



The first off the shelf solution might be the Army's universal weapons mount for the Kiowa.  You'll still have limited fields of fire but it should open it up a bit...especially if they're able to mount it at the rear of the cabin.


RAMCIS is the next solution.  The good.  It'll block the field of fire for only one of the gunners.  The even better good is that you'll have a low cost multi-mission cannon that could imobilize enemy fast boats with one shot.  The manufacturer states that it can penetrate several feet of concrete so this should be darn effective on rubber/fiberglass boats.  The bad.  I have no idea how the targeting works or if it could even hit a moving target.  It was designed to kill mines.  The worse still.  It looks heavy as all outdoors.

Whether they fix or not, the Navy is doing good things...they should brag about their warfighting capability a bit more.

Sidenote:  If there isn't room on carriers to get these Squadrons to the fight then the USMC/USN and NAVAIR needs to workout a way to get these helos out to the amphibs. I'd also like to see them working hand in hand with the Riverines...and the possibility of them being assigned to the Coast Guard to augment their HITRON teams is mouth watering.

6 comments :

  1. There are two other possibilities (both from the BattleHawk program):
    1. The 20mm belly gun

    2. A 2nd pair of door gunners aft of the missiles.

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  2. I just noticed something, those are BlackHawk-derived and not SeaHawk-derived (notice the tailwheel).

    Here are a few more pics of weapon options:

    30mm from the Apache on the wing stub and a minigun in the door gunner's station

    Instead of the low-slung weapon stations on the normal BlackHawk, how about using the raised pylons of the MH-60K?

    Either way, my preferred weapon loadout would be 8 DAGRs & 2 Hellfires on one side and the 30mm on the other. Think about that in addition to the upcoming Laser-Guided cannon shells.

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  3. Last, but not least, is the loadout used on the SeaHawk. It utilizes a unique pylon that is mounted parallel to the floor, has no support truss and gives the gunner unobstructed forward, side, and rear arcs of fire. However, his FOV and fire arc below the aircraft is limited.

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  4. check out an article in the latest USNI Proceedings titled "Unleashing the MH-60S Knighthawks" for more details about weapons, sensors and comms. Twin 7.62 or two GAU-21 .50s door guns and Hellfires. Under consideration is 3-barrel M197 30mm belly guns and 2.75 in rocket launchers

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  5. RAMICS is dead, or on the way out. Navy ended funding after poor results in 2011. Lockheed may have it on self-funded life support. Was not killing mines. See the recent Congressional Research service write-up on the LCS - it has multiple quotes from navy sources that RAMICs was not meeting requirements for the mine-warfare mission.

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  6. thanks for the heads up. i definitely did not know that.

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