Tuesday, October 08, 2013

CV-90120T for the 82nd??

Thanks Nuno for the link!


via National Defense Blog (click here to read it all)...
Army paratroopers gave up their tanks in 1997. Now they want them back.
“The infantry needs more protection and more firepower,” says Col. Ed House, Army Training and Doctrine Command manager for the infantry brigade combat team.

Even in these times of deep budget cuts and a projected steep decline in purchases of military hardware, senior Army officials believe that a light tank is a high priority that should be funded. In a future war, they contend, Army airborne forces would parachute into a warzone equipped with only light weapons and might have to confront more heavily armed enemies.
Army leaders understand that, after 12 years of war, the infantry brigades have a “capability gap,” House says in an interview from Fort Benning, Ga. “The forcible entry forces we put in harm’s way lack sufficient protected firepower platform.”
The current plan is to provide the XVIII Airborne Corps — a fast-to-the-scene 911 force — a flotilla of light tanks that can be flown by C-130 cargo planes and parachuted into the warzone.

Light tanks existed in the Army’s inventory from World War I until the end of the Cold War. Production of the 16-ton Sheridan ended in 1970 after approximately 1,700 vehicles were delivered to the Army. The last unit to operate the Sheridan was the 3d Battalion, 73d Armor Regiment of the 82d Airborne Division, which was inactivated in July 1997 following a wave of cost cutting. The Army considered buying a replacement for the Sheridan, the Armored Gun System, but that program was terminated after the Army had bought just six vehicles.
House says the goal is to replicate the functions of 3-73 although he admits it will be hard to locate a modern version of the Sheridan. “The tough part of this is to find a vehicle that fits in the back of a C-130 and can descend by parachute,” he says. “The Sheridan did that pretty well back in the 1990s.”
Training and Doctrine Command officials are scoping the market for existing vehicles that could perform a similar role as the Sheridan.
Up to 140 candidates are being considered, says Col. Rocky Kmiecik, director of mounted requirements at the capabilities development and integration directorate.
So what will the 82nd pick?

A better question what are the vehicles that will be in the competition?

The biggest factor will be the air droppable and armor ratings.  That's going to knock alot of vehicles out right away.  Especially the airdrop consideration.

Stryker won't make the cut.  Patria AMV?  Nope.  BAE SuperAv?  Nope.  VBCI?  Hell no!  So what does that actually leave us with.

I think we're going to see BAE do some mods to its CV-90120T.  I think we're going to see General Dynamics offer the LAV-25A2 with a 105mm cannon.  Perhaps the Terrex might be offered with a turreted main gun. But I seriously doubt 140 different vehicles are seriously being looked at.  I don't think there are that many vehicles on the market.

Yeah.  In the end it'll be the CV-90120T by a landslide.  And then the Army will cancel the program. 

11 comments :

  1. what about the French ERC 90 Sagaie or the CV-90

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    1. CV-90 is what i'm talking about in my piece. the ERC90 is out of production. they want off the shelf not prehistoric.

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    2. I'm also thinking, what about the Italians and their B1 Centauro. At the same time France with the AMX 10 RC, on top of the ERC 90 Sagaie.

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    3. cant' air drop a centauro. amx-10 is too big for the C-130 too and its also out of production.

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    4. What about the ERC 90 Sagaie and the B1 Centauro, can either of them be air dropped from a C-5 to a C-130J. Here's a Youtube video on the ERC 90 Sagaie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFsw_xgLkwM

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    5. IN PRODUCTION!!!! the ERC 90 is out of production. there is a wildcat out there but i forgot its name...i know its made by General Dynamics Europe, but its an old design but still listed on there website. i'll look it up.

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  2. then cancel the program. Good one, Sol. That seems to be the Big Army way: research, test and cancel

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  3. Maybe USAF will get pissed and try to buy in like they did C27J. Raise the price tag by a couple of million, start production THEN cancel and ship them straight to bone-yard just to show ARMY how much smarter and better they are!

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  4. Everybody will be happy to restart the production of erc 90 here ^^ And we are close to start the production of the the replacer of µERC90/amx10RC...

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  5. Would love to get the CV90 into US forces, then we could also get the GRKPBV90120. The 90120T + GRKPBV90120 would be a very nice combo for airborne providing direct and indirect fire(support).

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