Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[53][54] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7] g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²[7]) Combat radius: 1,600 km (with air to air refueling), 550 km (without air to air refueling)[46][52] () Ferry range: 1,850 km[52]() Service ceiling: 18,000 m[52] (59,055 ft) Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²) Thrust/weight: 1.024 (with AL-31); 1.085 (with WS-10A) Armament
Guns: 1× 23mm twin-barrel cannon Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 6,000 kg (13,228 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43] Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods Missiles: Air-to-air missiles: PL-8, PL-9, PL-11, PL-12 Air-to-surface missiles: PJ-9, YJ-9K Bombs: laser-guided bombs (LT-2), glide bombs (LS-6) and unguided bombs Others: Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time Avionics
Unknown phased array radar NRIET KLJ-10 multi-mode fire-control radar Externally mounted avionics pods: Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod Blue Sky navigation/attack pod FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
5 fuselage mounted hardpoints? Er, by "hardpoint" do they mean "landing gear"? There's going to be a few issues with mounting hardpoints on the fuselage. Look at where those landing gear bays are...
What a lot of people don't know is that South African air-to-air missile designs have had quite a lot of influence on Chinese designs over the past decade or more. For more information, see my third of three articles about South Africa's aviation defense industry:
hey Peter, i meant to send you an e-mail on this but i'd love your take on the regional war going on in Africa (and that's what it is...the entire continent is ablaze). more specifically i'm worried that it will eventually involve S. Africa. what that would mean? i haven't the slightest but i would like your take.
Export is tied to a successful development of a Chinese engine. Right now there are none, and Russia would supply engines only for China's domestic use jets, not export jets.
I am hedging my bets that 10 to 20 years down the road, some south or central American county will be getting either the J-10 or JF-17. I believe the first one could be Argentina or Venezuela
What about Peru? They are considering to update their Mirage2000 woth Israeli tech and they will have to replace their mig29 sorry but I found it in spanish...
"Perú intenta modernizar sus Mirage 2000 15 noviembre 2013 Noticias Photo E Por: Hernan Casciani Corresponsal en Argentina
La Fuerza Aérea del Perú (FAP) actualmente se encuentra analizando comenzar una segunda etapa de modernización para sus aviones Dassault Mirage 2000P. En la última feria SITDEF 2013, llevada a cabo en Perú, el gobierno recibió un ofrecimiento de la empresa Israelí IAI para modernizar sus Mirage 2000P, dicha oferta será tenida en cuenta tras las fracasadas tratativas con Francia por el alto costo presentado por Dassault."
Venezuela just create some pretty sophisticated air defense system, of course with help of Sovie... pfffuuu... Federation specialists. Investing in that kind of systems probably take most army founds for next years so they will be rather not very interested with new fighter buy.
I'm not worried about other countries trying to afford the J-10. What I'm really worried about is China going the Soviet Union route and mass producing these to give bundles of them to their allies (and our potential enemies) for free.
I doubt they'd distribute the J-10 in that way - more likely the JF-17, co-developed with Pakistan. It looks like a modern version of the F-5 'Freedom Fighter'. Delete the 'freedom' bit and it fills the same niche.
That's why I think within the next 10 to 20 years, I'll bet ya that some south or central American airforce will acquire either the JF-17, J-10, T-50. I think china would make a deal with them in return for getting China's military hardware.
It's a very tempting option for countries with low budgets. Today pilots spend more hours in arvanced simulators and have acces to advanced A-A missiles and Israelis HMD. Not everibody is obsesed with hiper expensives "invisible" airplanes that can be detected with atflir/EO sensors. In big numbers the J10 could be a p.i.a for any HiTech small airforce, speccially at low level or in the mountains of countries like Iran for example.
The J-10 has really grown into a much more capable air superiority fighter with the J-10B. This variant was built to specifically counter the JASDF F-15Es. The J-10B has great maneuverability, great FCS, great AESA radar, great networking, and now great missiles too. The PL-12 missiles (pictured blue) are BVRAAMs with a range of some 60~80 miles and a speed of Mach 4. A dangerous fighter not to be underestimated, especially if accompanied by AWACs.
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Performance
ReplyDeleteMaximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[53][54] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²[7])
Combat radius: 1,600 km (with air to air refueling), 550 km (without air to air refueling)[46][52] ()
Ferry range: 1,850 km[52]()
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[52] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.024 (with AL-31); 1.085 (with WS-10A)
Armament
Guns: 1× 23mm twin-barrel cannon
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 6,000 kg (13,228 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles: PL-8, PL-9, PL-11, PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles: PJ-9, YJ-9K
Bombs: laser-guided bombs (LT-2), glide bombs (LS-6) and unguided bombs
Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
Avionics
Unknown phased array radar
NRIET KLJ-10 multi-mode fire-control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
Source: wikpedia
5 fuselage mounted hardpoints? Er, by "hardpoint" do they mean "landing gear"? There's going to be a few issues with mounting hardpoints on the fuselage. Look at where those landing gear bays are...
DeleteAh the IAI Lav...sorry ,the J-10....:)
ReplyDeleteWhat a lot of people don't know is that South African air-to-air missile designs have had quite a lot of influence on Chinese designs over the past decade or more. For more information, see my third of three articles about South Africa's aviation defense industry:
ReplyDeletehttp://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2011/07/weekend-wings-41-south-africas-franken.html
and scroll down to the bottom of the section on air-to-air missiles. More links are provided there.
hey Peter, i meant to send you an e-mail on this but i'd love your take on the regional war going on in Africa (and that's what it is...the entire continent is ablaze). more specifically i'm worried that it will eventually involve S. Africa. what that would mean? i haven't the slightest but i would like your take.
DeleteDrop me a line (my e-mail address is in my blog profile) and we'll discuss it.
DeleteI would not be surprise if the J-10 get's exported to central and south American Air forces.
ReplyDeleteExport is tied to a successful development of a Chinese engine. Right now there are none, and Russia would supply engines only for China's domestic use jets, not export jets.
DeleteI doubt it.
Deletemost S. and Central American air forces are either too poor for this, or already use F-16s, Su-30s, Mirages, or Migs.
No need for the J-10.
I am hedging my bets that 10 to 20 years down the road, some south or central American county will be getting either the J-10 or JF-17. I believe the first one could be Argentina or Venezuela
Delete10-20 years is a long time away.
DeleteAnd remember, no matter how good the jet is, the pilot is still the key.
Iraq had some good jets in 1991, but their pilots were mediocre at best....
Argentina, Bolivia and Venezuela are the natural candidates
ReplyDeleteArgentina and Bolivian can't afford it.
DeleteHell, it was like puling teeth for them to be able to buy 16-18 1970s vintage Mirage F1s from Spain.
The Argentinian AF is a shadow of that it was in the 1980s, and their idiot president refuses to fund the military as she fears a coup.
Bolivia is too poor for a modern AF.
Venezuela is going down the tubs, and probably can't afford new hardware, or they are happy with their Sukhois.
What about Peru? They are considering to update their Mirage2000 woth Israeli tech and they will have to replace their mig29 sorry but I found it in spanish...
Delete"Perú intenta modernizar sus Mirage 2000
15 noviembre 2013 Noticias
Photo E
Por: Hernan Casciani
Corresponsal en Argentina
La Fuerza Aérea del Perú (FAP) actualmente se encuentra analizando comenzar una segunda etapa de modernización para sus aviones Dassault Mirage 2000P.
En la última feria SITDEF 2013, llevada a cabo en Perú, el gobierno recibió un ofrecimiento de la empresa Israelí IAI para modernizar sus Mirage 2000P, dicha oferta será tenida en cuenta tras las fracasadas tratativas con Francia por el alto costo presentado por Dassault."
Venezuela just create some pretty sophisticated air defense system, of course with help of Sovie... pfffuuu... Federation specialists. Investing in that kind of systems probably take most army founds for next years so they will be rather not very interested with new fighter buy.
DeleteI'm not worried about other countries trying to afford the J-10. What I'm really worried about is China going the Soviet Union route and mass producing these to give bundles of them to their allies (and our potential enemies) for free.
DeleteI doubt they'd distribute the J-10 in that way - more likely the JF-17, co-developed with Pakistan. It looks like a modern version of the F-5 'Freedom Fighter'. Delete the 'freedom' bit and it fills the same niche.
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder
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DeleteThat's why I think within the next 10 to 20 years, I'll bet ya that some south or central American airforce will acquire either the JF-17, J-10, T-50. I think china would make a deal with them in return for getting China's military hardware.
DeleteIt's a very tempting option for countries with low budgets. Today pilots spend more hours in arvanced simulators and have acces to advanced A-A missiles and Israelis HMD. Not everibody is obsesed with hiper expensives "invisible" airplanes that can be detected with atflir/EO sensors.
DeleteIn big numbers the J10 could be a p.i.a for any HiTech small airforce, speccially at low level or in the mountains of countries like Iran for example.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3QynY5aLz0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGASyJTkSsc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And probably with Israeli gadges like Colombia just did with the Kafirs with stonishing results in Red Flag.
ReplyDeletewww.youtube.com/watch?v=mBTVHeSyP_w&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Chinese comparation of the J-10, Mirage2000 and the F-16
ReplyDeletewww.youtube.com/watch?v=pmeItPqXE3M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The J-10 has really grown into a much more capable air superiority fighter with the J-10B. This variant was built to specifically counter the JASDF F-15Es. The J-10B has great maneuverability, great FCS, great AESA radar, great networking, and now great missiles too. The PL-12 missiles (pictured blue) are BVRAAMs with a range of some 60~80 miles and a speed of Mach 4. A dangerous fighter not to be underestimated, especially if accompanied by AWACs.
ReplyDeleteTake a look
ReplyDeletewww.youtube.com/watch?v=AOv5CG8aVH4&feature=youtube_gdata_player