via Defense 24
Another series of Russian provocations involving the Baltic states, related to the Ukraine war, makes so called hybrid war scenario more and more realistic within the region of the Baltic Sea. The incidents that took place so far, such as the Internet existence of “People’s Republic of Vilnius” or the hooligan attacks on the Polish Embassy in Vilnius, seem to suggest that the Kremlin is going to use the Polish minority of Lithuania, along with the tough history of the Polish-Lithuanian relations, as the basis for its activities, aim of which would be to destabilize the region.Read the whole thing here.
Before you go to Defense24, I recommend you check out this Wikipedia entry for the "Electoral Action of Poles in Lithuania"...you're going to need the background primer if you're not familiar with the local issues.
I honestly hope this isn't true.
The attack on the Polish Embassy showed up in my alert feed but I dismissed it. IF the Russians are planning to destabilize Lithuania then Europe is in for serious trouble.
This bears watching.
Nothing to it, the Poles are trouble-makers.
ReplyDeleteIt`s just some idiotic kids - we had the same in Latgale (Latvia) - caught them and police screwed them good.They are on parole and currently doing public work - if they ever do something as stupid as that agian, they`ll go to jail for up to 5 years.
ReplyDeleteThis is a classic Soviet school to set one group against other in the same area, Divide et Impera.
ReplyDeletePoles have a... complicated relations with Lithuania. We did not part in more or less peace, our divorce was not easy. That's why the Lithuanians generally don't trust us, we don't have a bad relation with them, that for sure... they are rather neutral. We train together, they buy weapons from us, we have normal economical relations and on the level of ordinary people we have rather friendly relations. But on the government level, polish minority indeed have problems there some of them they create by themselves, others are clearly a discrimination from Lithuanian side. And that is the problem we need to solve, faster then later.
This is a barrel of powder that still don't have a fuse... for now.
Yeah... we are the trouble makers.
ReplyDeleteExtra judicial beatings are always a great way to calm a restive minority...
ReplyDeleteBalts have complicated relationship with all the minoritys .
ReplyDeleteIt's the specification of the region, they did not have the long history of being independent as a groups but being only as minority in this or other nation. Now when they have own land situation is on the contrary. I think they really don't know what to do with that in generally mater. Some nationalistic moves that were needed to maintain cultural integrity of group now became a problem. It is indeed a complicated thing.
ReplyDeleteWho said they were beaten?
ReplyDeleteThey and their parents (some were under 18) got a pretty big fine to pay - we arent exactly the wealthiest country in the region, money is tight and when one has to pay couple hundred Euros for their stupid kids - thats quite a screwing.
Ukraine is a patched-together artificial state, with ethnic Poles in the West and ethnic Russians in the East & Crimea. It has been known for years that this was an untenable situation and the US-instigated, fascist-backed coup a year ago made a resolution imperative.
ReplyDeleteSo the people in Crimea voted for independence and it was annexed by Russia, in order to protect its only warm-water naval base (and some in Syria). The etnic Russians in two oblasts of Ukraine voted for independence also but Russia has promoted a federalist Ukraine to protect their rights, not annexation.
Here's a 1995 paper from Belfer Center which predicts the problem. (excerpt from conclusion)
The secessionist movements in Crimea have caused many Ukrainian politicians and academicians to feel that Ukraine should have another territorial-administrative structure. Some forms of federation with larger powers of the regions have been discussed. The dilemma is that certain regions, like Crimea or Eastern Ukraine, after being given "semi-independence," would sooner or later seek complete independence from Ukraine. In fact, the Ukrainian government has little doubt that most Crimeans would vote for independence from Ukraine. But the secession of Crimea may be followed by Eastern Ukraine, with its large Russian population, also wishing to secede. These developments would lead to the breakup of Ukrainian statehood.
"Some forms of federation with larger powers of the regions" is covered by Minsk 2.0, paragraph 4:
On the first day after the withdrawal, start dialogue on ways of conducting local elections in accordance with Ukrainian legislation and the law of Ukraine about “On interim local self-government in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions” and about the future administration of these areas based on this law.
Adopt promptly, no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution of the parliament of Ukraine specifying the territory enjoying a special regime according to the law of Ukraine “On interim local self-government in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions”, based on the Minsk Memorandum of 19 September 2014.
"with ethnic Poles in the West" - now this is solid bullshit. Poles in WHOLE Ukraine are in comparison to overall population are numbered as 0.3% I don't know who you quote but if he start with such bullshit rest is not wort it to read.
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ReplyDeleteARTEMIVSK, Ukraine — As violence continued to plague eastern Ukraine on Thursday, demoralized Ukrainian soldiers straggled into the town of Artemivsk, griping about incompetent leadership and recounting desperate conditions and gruesome killing as they beat a haphazard retreat from the strategic town of Debaltseve....
What? You read Bacon's posts? :)
ReplyDeleteYou should go see read imaginary interview with a dead general. I'd love to get the telephone number of his medium! lol
wiki
ReplyDeleteOn the basis of a secret clause of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, the Soviet Union invaded Poland on September 17, 1939, capturing the eastern borderland provinces of Poland with little opposition. Lwów, present day Lviv, the principal city and cultural center of the region of Galicia, was captured and occupied by September 22. These provinces were inhabited by an ethnically mixed population, with ethnic Ukrainians dominant in rural areas, and Poles dominant in the cities. They now form the backbone of modern Western Ukraine.
Smedley Darlington Butler is not a "dead general" -- he lives on thanks to many people throughout the world who keep his memory and his principals alive.
ReplyDeleteA seance network? lol.
ReplyDeleteThis is some kind of joke... whole Polish diaspora on Ukraine now is less then 120k people. They are spread all over the Ukraine, true the bulk of them on the west of country but... a backbone of modern western Ukraine?! This is bullshit of huge proportion. For fuck sake there are twice bigger Bulgarian diaspora there and nobody call them a "backbone".
ReplyDeleteThis is one big bullshit... yeah Poles were the dominant in the cities, BEFORE the WWII after that there was not too many Poles left on the former Polish territories. Many of them died in the war and rest was relocated in operation Wisła (mass relocation of what left of Poles from now USSR territory to "new lands" from Germany).
Jesus Don if you try to be serious, try to check the demographic reports of country before you quote such nonsense.
Thanks for your loyal readership; now apologize to Galvars for doing so.
ReplyDeleteDamn it, why did my post disappear?
ReplyDeleteAnyway, who said they were beaten? They and their parents (some were under 18) paid quite big fines for their stupidity - money is tight here and no one is happy about paying couple hundred Euros for the stupid shit that their kids did.
Solomon, thanks for the updates on Ukraine. Your blog is one place I can find info that I can't elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteGalvars, I'm so sorry I asked you to read the posts of a wackjob talking to a dead man. I did not consider the possible effects to your sanity and I hope there wasn't too much damage done.
ReplyDeleteMy life will be not the same anymore... I will wake up in the middle of the night and shiver, this will haunt me to the rest of my life... I accept your apologies but know this, you ruin my life!
ReplyDeletejust trying to keep up with all the insanity but thanks Lori. question. is it me or has this country been involved in drama of some type ever since Obama took office? not trying to get political but i need a break from all the chaos.
ReplyDeletewait. this isn't exactly right. General Butler spoke clearly and plainly. the idea that a mythical interview couldn't be conducted based on his writings is just plain wrong! we ask the clergy to do essentially the same thing when we ask them moral questions and seek guidance. every question is different so a internal interview with God based on the book of the denomination that you follow is done. please. stop with the personal and stick to the factual.
ReplyDeleteNooo!!!! I'm sorry!!!
ReplyDeleteDon't sue me! My last lawyer already ate my arm and leg. Maybe I should not have looked for a lawyer at Seaworld, but they said sharks made the best lawyers.
Sol, the problem with "interviews with dead men" is that you can make him say anything you want and he can't make a rebuttal if you misrepresent him, which is why people with causes love martyrs. There is also a context to all quotations and even if you nominally espouse a similar stand, the original person may not approve of you in the first place, which is buried in the silence of the grave. This kind of "interview" is one sided and is controlled by the "interviewer".
ReplyDeleteAs an example of "close but antagonistic" concepts, an example would be Communism, Marxism and Maoism. Close, but toss them into a room and watch the blood fly.
Yes Solomon, your senses do not deceive you.
ReplyDeleteThe current president is not the problem; he and his vector were freely chosen by the electorate; by 'we the people'. The drama you see is what the people want. Chew on that for a while.
"When the American people look at you (JFK) they see what they want to be; when they look at me they see what they are." -Nixon, "Final Days"
ReplyDelete"caught them and police screwed them good."
ReplyDeleteI assumed by that you meant beat them, but taking food from starving babies is hardly an improvement...
the way it reads, Don, is that the cities form the backbone of modern Western Ukraine, not the ethnic Poles. there used to be a sizable Jewish population as well, but they were killed. I am betting most Poles fled or were sent packing to the West or sent to Gulags, just like most Germans who lived in Gdansk or Wroclaw fled West....the lucky ones that is.
ReplyDeleteThere is no "interview" with Gen. Butler, he himself printed the words in his booklet, "War is a Racket"
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