Monday, February 24, 2014

Capt Fanell talks China via Cdr Salamander.

I won't spoil it.

Go here to listen to his take (starts at 18:55).

Long story short.  China is getting ready for war.  We're already behind the 8-ball and if Capt Fanell is even half right we're in a hurt locker that we can't might not be able to get out of.

I have tried to be non-political, but the current administration is so immature in their world view that its actually a danger to our national survival.

2016 can't get here soon enough.

17 comments :

  1. I get what you're saying but it's difficult to formulate an appropriate response.

    Going into a full scale war with China over a couple of insignificant islands is just stupid but the Japanese can't just give them away. Personally I'd just sell them to China and be done with it but it's certainly a diplomatic catch 22.

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    1. Those "insignificant" islands are the starting points of 200 nm radius EEZs; all the fish and natural resources within that zone.

      While the Diaoyu Islands are historically peripheral islands of Taiwan without a doubt and should have been returned along with Taiwan, you can't blame Japan for wanting to wage a war to keep them.

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    2. Japan has taken the US "pivot" to its own advantage, and under the nationalist PM Abe wants to recreate The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
      I say: remember Pearl Harbor.

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    3. Personally, I do think that that the Abe administration is trying to draw the US in for its own purposes.

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    4. Yes, remember Pearl Harbour indeed.


      "Japan has put forward a cache of kamikaze pilots’ final farewells from the dying days of the Second World War to UNESCO, the UN’s cultural body."

      "The letters are among a collection of historical documents, including diaries, wills and other personal items of the doomed pilots, being submitted to UNESCO’s Memory of the World Register by the city of Minami-Kyushu, in southern Japan. It was from there that many kamikaze pilots took off on their final missions against Allied shipping taking part in the invasion of Okinawa in 1945."

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/10621935/Kamizake-letters-submitted-to-UNESCO-register.html

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  2. There are bigger implications here, if the Chinese are allowed to go unchecked. The US loses any credibility with the world. If we check them, we risk an all-out war (or a hybrid one, both being costly). No one has the right answer.

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    1. this isn't hard. we know what needs to be done. the question is are we willing to pay the price to do it?

      1. cut off all trade with China.
      2. penalize any companies that do business with China.
      3. understand that we're involved in another cold war that may turn hot.
      4. talk to our allies and decide who we are and aren't going to help when China decides to take territory.
      5. line up allies and write mutual defense treaties.
      6. draw a line in the sand.
      7. dare China to cross it.

      the disruptions to the already disintegrating globalization scheme will be tremendous. but the dragon will have its food bowl taken away, will no longer have access to our technology and will finally have to start playing by some rules.

      bullies always push until someone punches them in the nose. china is a bully and its way past time they got punched.

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    2. I guess, seems like one hell of a price for the US to pay to protect a tiny possession of a US ally.

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    3. i don't think its about one island or even a chain of islands.

      this is the classic good vs evil and the price that is paid when nations allow profits to be placed ahead of national security.

      everyone always says China but refuses to call them Communist China. its seems that many will forgive human rights abuses, bullying of allies, horrible environmental behavior all in the name of the latest throwaway item at a cheap price or the promise of finally entering their markets.

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    4. To be entirely fair it's not unlike America to interfere in the affairs of it's neighbors, the people of Panama, Grenada and Nicaragua will testify to that.

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    5. and you said that to say what? its missing the point entirely. would we have engaged in the type of trade that we have with China with the former Soviet Union?

      if you answer is no, then the false equivalency you're trying to push with that statement become painfully obvious.

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    6. The United States in the past has done things on the same level as what you believe China is planning. If you consider Chinese actions and by extension China to be "evil" then why do you consider America to be "good"?

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    7. "cut off all trade with China."
      Besides being illegal it would impoverish Americans when prices for common goods double and triple.

      " penalize any companies that do business with China."
      General Motors sells more cars in China than it does in the U.S.

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    8. how would cutting off trade with China be illegal? we didn't trade with the Soviet Union, we didn't trade with Iran. we didn't trade with Iraq for awhile..Vietnam...N. Korea.

      as far as impovershing Americans i say poppycock. China sells us trinkets that don't last. will it be an easy transition while domestic suppliers get spooled up? no. but then again, other poor asian countries will be clamoring to fill the void. additionally the value of the US dollar will skyrocket.

      as far as General Motors selling more cars in China than in the US...who cares? its not about corporations its about our country facing a threat.

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    9. Solomon

      Under the WTO regime, it is not possible to cut off trades unilaterally without some kind of a UN sanction.

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  3. I am all for cutting trade with China. If you can address the following issue first.
    I do not want US dollars becoming worthless junk and I have to pay food and merchandize with 300% inflated prices. Hell, no f*ckin way.
    I paid my dues for Social Security. I will be really mad if US govnt declares she can't no longer payback SS due to the loss of credit line. I believe my view represents the vast majority of ordinary folks living in the country.
    The ones who are in charge and control the policy of this country, the multi-nationals and their puppet politicians. You tell them to stop doing business with China and they will laugh their ass off and brush you aside, because they know you can’t do a jack about it. What can you do besides ranting your frustrations? Absolutely nothing.

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  4. Legality: World Trade Organization (WTO) obligations. The WTO is the only international organization dealing with the global rules of trade between nations. Its main function is to ensure that trade flows as smoothly, predictably and freely as possible. At the heart of the system — known as the multilateral trading system — are the WTO’s agreements, negotiated and signed by a large majority of the world’s trading nations, and ratified in their parliaments. These agreements are the legal ground-rules for international commerce.

    from a recent CRS Report:
    U.S.-China economic ties have expanded substantially over the past three decades. Total U.S.- China trade rose from $2 billion in 1979 to $562 billion in 2013. China is currently the United States’ second-largest trading partner, its third-largest export market, and its biggest source of imports. China is estimated to be a $300 billion market for U.S. firms (based on U.S. exports to China and sales by U.S.-invested firms in China). Many U.S. firms view participation in China’s market as critical to staying globally competitive. General Motors (GM), for example, which has invested heavily in China, sold more cars in China than in the United States each year from 2010 to 2013. In addition, U.S. imports of low-cost goods from China greatly benefit U.S. consumers, and U.S. firms that use China as the final point of assembly for their products, or use Chinese-made inputs for production in the United States, are able to lower costs. China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities ($1.3 trillion as f November 2013). China’s purchases of U.S. government debt help keep U.S. interest rates low.

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