Monday, March 16, 2015

China's Wheeled Amphibious IFV being operated by Venezuelan Marines.

Hat Tip to Defense Blog.



Remember.  General Glueck said that the ACV will be indefinitely delayed if sequestration continues.

It looks like sequestration WILL continue.

What does that mean?  It means Brazil, Argentina, and Venezuela will all operate Wheeled Amphibious IFV's that are more advanced than the USMC.

25 comments :

  1. President Obama did said that Venezuela is "unusual and extremely danger" for US national security and foreign politics.


    Interesting...

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  2. In the debate over Wheeled vs. Tracked, the Chinese have both. Then that settles the debate...... now the US should also have both.


    And we all should saturate the "Asia Pacific" infantryman with ATGM's. Future amphib vehicles may have Trophy type systems but I bet a fully combat loaded vehicle will have increased water level interfering with the Buckshot launcher giving the ATGM a fighting chance to destroy the vehicle in water only.


    That water affecting Trophy system is just a fantasy guesstimate of mine. Owl, you want to correct it?

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  3. Nope, no experience with that, ADS are after my time.

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  4. the Pacific is gonna scare the hell outta Pentagon planners once they take a serious look at the terrain. first ISR assets are gonna have a helluva time. Jungle foliage, constant rain, other marine conditions like fog and then you add in the fact that most of the world's mega cities are in that region PLUS you have some hellacious slums scattered throughout and then you mix in all the different factions, religions, etc...and you're looking at a battlefield that will make Khe Sanh look like a picnic and Khe Sanh was (according to the old skool guys) anything BUT a picnic.

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  5. Please stop, I just looked at a map of the region and I already want to start crying. You won't want to see a grown man cry would you? :)

    But seriously, you're right, the terrain there really sucks. And all the talk about ATGMs? Can't be used at long range, you can't *see* the bloody tank at long range and you're more likely to put your Javelin/Spike through a tree trunk than a tank at anything but 200m or less. Or a slum house.

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  6. Yes also Venezuela has seen couple of unsucessfoul CIA majdans (same basic script). But in end effect it was not the Russians or the Cubans but Venezuela which turned the tide in south America and US is not regarded as BFF by many in South America any more

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  7. In water your target size also decreases to cupola only ,and a hit on the cupola will not stop the APC or IFV going ashore as that is more or less their only chance

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  8. --PACOM -- more than 50 per cent of the surface of Earth, from the west coast of the US through to the western edge of India.
    --Only 17 percent of PACOM’s region is land mass and six of every 10 people in the world live there
    --There are 36 countries in the region — five of which the United States shares mutual defense treaties — that produce more than half the world’s gross domestic product.
    --the Air Force is facing a new sort of operating environment where its aircraft may not always have free reign.
    --Climate change — where increasingly severe weather patterns and rising sea levels along with inevitable earthquakes and tsunamis /super typhoons and massive flooding will threaten populations

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  9. Sol, don't forget the new LavII for the Peruvian Marines and their new ships they are building to transport them

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  10. The REAL point being: Washington move your asses and make sure ACV and other vital projects continue!

    You would think this budget crunch would kill the one program we want it to kill... but alas..

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  11. Am I the only one not able to see this video?


    About Venezuela

    :http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/16/venezuelan-president-nicolas-maduro-given-power-to-rule-by-decree

    I'm gonna pay more attention to Venezuela.

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  12. Venezuela is the new US "national emergency," to be added to the thirty (30) existing "national emergencies."
    Be afraid, very afraid.

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  13. There is no benefit to US corporations if the Pentagon were to procure off-the-shelf end items so they don't generally do it. As I recall there were some aircraft from Canada, and perhaps a few other end items, but generally not. Congress-critters rely upon political campaign contributions from Lockheed, General Dynamics etc.

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  14. Venezuelan smart move would be to declare war on USA, have a couple minor skirmishes, then promptly surrender, letting USA come in and rebuild & restock & re-invest in country, then kick us out.

    You might enjoy my first-hand experience with Chavez regime over a decade ago here... ki4u.com/chavez.htm

    - Shane

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  15. Wouldn't a cupola hit be rather terminal for the passengers?
    Even if it wouldn't, I struggle to see a situation in which aavs are going to survive a drive up the beech against dug in infantry well supplied with atgms.

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  16. top attack munitions would negate some of the natural protection that swimming vehicles get while in the water but you forget that we have anti-missile systems that we can put on them to get some protection and the advantage back. additionally dug in infantry is just infantry that dug their own graves. mobility is what makes infantry formidable today. you dig them in and they're naval guns, airstrike, cruise missile bait.

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  17. For gunner or none if its unmanned cupola. No one is planing to assaut a Normandy type beach

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  18. Top attack seems to be all the talk for past 30 years but so far few missiles use that mode.

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  19. The video was withdrawn :/

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  20. Perhaps dug in is the wrong word.
    20 concealed men over looking the beach with a smattering of anti tank weapons each

    Fire, pick the next tube, fire, and then run down the reverse slope to awaiting pick up.

    Probably wouldn't work against the US, but I doubt the Venezuelan Marines could prevent/survive it.

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  21. Unless you fire from above, the missile has a two stage rocket or it 'drops' its not really possible to top attack.
    Vectors and momentum and such.

    If you are higher, shooting at a high angle of impact (or low?) to prevent reflection is easy.
    A two stage missile let's you fly high, then hammer down.
    A 'drop bomb' would rocket high then glide down for a top attack.

    A conventional missile flying 500mps horizontally has one hell of a challenge converting that horizontal motion to vertical

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  22. Top attack is done in at least two ways first missile is lobed on almost balistic curve (Javelin ,Spike) second is missle that has shaped charges at 90° and only flies slightly above the armor (TOW 2B etc) , issue with such configuration is that shaped charge is not given a lot of space so warhead is really weak compared to conventional shaped charge .On the other hand rounds like Javelin and Spike will be the easyest to intercept as they are easy to detect and track on their high curve plus active defense has no issues with colateral that comes from intercepting low flying missiles and rockets.

    http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_TOW_2B_Cutaway_lg.jpg

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  23. Solom, Brazil?
    We haven't IFV, and the ACV Guarani is a crap, will not bear the impact of .50 caliber.
    Relax!!!

    Has no money, it was also kidnapped here, but it was for political pocket.

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  24. I forgot one thing, how about dropping bombs/bomblets that explode very very shallow. Shallow enough to affect the incoming Amphibs and these bombs use the high pressure of water to do extra damage to the Amphib's structure? I dont think that currently there is any weapon system that dispenses bombs like that and at that shallow a depth, though it could be arranged.

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